The re-emergence of Nationalist and racist sentiments, aroused and exploited by the media and demagogic politicians in order to gain support for aggressive militaristic foreign policies, threaten peaceful relations between countries. This kind of folly can only lead to ruinous outcomes. IGNORANCE IS NOT BLISS, it is the obstacle to the sublimation of our destructive desires. If we want a better world, we must first accept that our own ignorance and stupidity lie at the root of this folly.

Wednesday, January 2, 2008

The so-called Armenian Genocide: Part 1 The prejudicial folly surrounding the issue.

According to Wikipedia, the 22 countries listed below officially recognise the so-called genocide of Armenians by the Ottoman State between 1915 and 1916. It should be noted that Wikipedia is not always a reliable source of information. For example, the author of the article on the so-called Armenian genocide is clearly biased; it cannot be described as an objective piece of writing; it only presents one side of the story. At no point in the article is the Turkish perspective presented; at no point in the article are there any references to, or citations of historians such as professor Justin McCarthy and professor Bernard Lewis both of whom dispute both the Armenian version of this episode in history and the claim of genocide.
This blog will present accounts of the aforementioned historians and other evidence that contradicts the Armenian claims.

No matter what version of history one happens to be reading, it should not be forgotten that there are other versions. Nor should we forget that historical accounts are re-constructions of past events based on evidence that is available at the time of writing. Worse still, no matter how objective scientists and historians might try to be, they are still influenced by their own preconceptions, prejudices and bias. However, some historians manage to be more objective than others and I dare say that historians McCarthy and Lewis are more objective than Armenian lobbyists and the politicians they so easily win over to their cause (there will be more on the prejudice of European politicians against the Turks further on in this article).

Like scientific facts, historical facts have the nasty habit of changing in the light of new evidence. Therefore historical facts are not facts as such but merely constructions. These are some of the problems of the methods of scientific and historical inquiry - to paraphrase A.F. Chalmers (What is this thing called science) there are no methods that can prove a theory (or construct) to be conclusively true. In the end, the best one can do is to consider all the available evidence with a critical eye and then make up one's own mind as to what makes the most sense whilst bearing in mind that the whole truth can never be known.


Fortunately, we do not have to rely solely on historical accounts to refute the Armenian claim of genocide. There are also legalistic considerations concerned with the definition of genocide - these will be addressed in Part 2.

Countries in which politicians have voted in favour of resolutions recognizing the so-called Armenian Genocide, after being lobbied by the Armenian diaspora, include:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recognition_of_the_Armenian_Genocide

According to the Geneva Convention, the United Nation, the International Criminal Court, and any individual with a sense of morality, genocide is a crime. The place to judge a person or a government for a crime is the court room - not the houses of parliament. And yet this is exactly how these countries have arrived at this decision. A motion is put forward by a politician and a vote is taken without due consideration of all the evidence to the contrary. This is absurd and makes a mockery of the principle of innocent until proven guilty. (As the comment by Anonymous [see comments] indicates there are no legal institutions that have a legislated right to take this issue to trial).

On this issue, Professor of History Justin McCarthy had this to say:

... politicians ... have a duty to truth. If they make pronouncements on history, they assume the duties of historians. They must look honestly at the historical record, the whole historical record. They must not accept that what they are told is true because political pressure groups tell them it is true. They must not accept that something is true because their fathers believed it was true. They must not accept as truth what their own prejudices tell them is true. If politicians speak on history, if politicians pass resolutions on history, then they must follow the rules of history. Otherwise, what the politicians proclaim will not be the truth. It may be good politics. It may win votes. But it will never be the truth http://www.tallarmeniantale.com/mccarthy-firstshot.htm


As McCarthy indicates, the decision of those who have pronounced Turkey guilty of genocide is a matter of prejudice and not truth. Prejudice against the Turks on the part of Christian countries has a long history that dates back at least to Attila the Hun (406 - 453). Christians referred to Attila as The Scourge of God and the Huns were thought of as the Hordes from Hell who had come to punish Christians for their sins. This fear and hatred of the Turkic world was exploited again by Pope Urban II prior to 1095 (the first Crusade) when he perceived an opportunity to gain control of the Holy Lands in the Middle East. Turks, who by then had become Moslems were demonised by the Catholic church and the Pope guaranteed a place in heaven for all those who would take up the Crusade and die killing Moslems (see the documentaries "The Crusades" produced by the BBC, and "The Crescent and the Cross" produced by the History Channel).

Besides all this, Armenia was the first Christian nation and many Armenians see themselves as the front line in a war against the Moslem world. It is also worth noting that with the exception of Lebanon, which by the way has a large Armenian community, all the countries listed above are Christian nations and that, to this day, there is much anti-Moslem, anti-Turkish feeling amongst their populations (go to http://istanbulian.blogspot.com/search/label/Politics for a few articles on this topic, also read Slavoj Zizek "The Disturbing Sounds of the Turkish March"). It is this kind of long-standing prejudicial folly that motivates the push by Armenian lobby groups all over the world to have Turkey charged with genocide. It is this kind of prejudicial folly that motivates politicians to vote in favour of accusing Turkey of genocide. It is not for politicians to make such decisions. Politicians are rarely objective on such issues and are more concerned with protecting their own interests through placating those who would vote for them.

Unfortunately the most appropriate institution, namely the International Criminal Court, cannot bring this issue to trial (see FAQ # 6) (I say unfortunately because I would much rather see this matter settled by a court of law than by Armenian lobby groups and their friends in politics). It must therefore be left to historians working in conjunction with legal experts to decide the matter. Part 2 on this issue is coming shortly and will address the legal definition of genocide in an attempt to establish whether or not what happened between 1914 and 1916 fits that definition. The video clips below gives an indication of the arguments that will be developed in Parts 2 & 3.





12 comments:

Emre Kızılkaya said...

Thank you for considering my articles worth to read.

Actually I don't have a position against most of those states which recognized a lie as a fact. Even this move is inside the boundry of national legislation.

The problem is about the restriction of my freedom. If they start to ban a person to deny this lie (so-called Armenian genocide), then this is the point that my nose begins and your freedom of swinging your punch ends.

That's why I condemn the government of Switzerland harsher than any other of them.

Anonymous said...

The ICC can never take this 'alleged genocide' in consideration, since it happened before the court was established...
There are more institutions which recognize the democide such as the Int. Foundation of Scholars for Genocide, and the EU as a whole...
That the USA didn't official recognize, but unofficial, is another story.
regards

Wotso Evah said...

Dear Emre,
I share your concerns about freedom of speech. I think it is hypocritical for nations who call themselves democracies to stifle debate in this way.
However I am also concerned about how the effect a conviction of genocide will impact on the national identity of the Turks. Consider the Germans for example. Although practically all Germans living today had nothing to do with the Genocide of the Jewish people, as a nation they still have to deal with the guilt of it, and their reputation is forever tarnished.

Wotso Evah said...

Dear anonymous,
thank you for the points you made. I was not aware of the reason why the case had not gone to the ICC. I assumed it was because of a lack of reliable evidence and the problem of fitting what happened with the legal definition of genocide. I will research this issue more carefully before I publish my comments on it.
Thanks again.

Wotso Evah said...

Dear readers,
I will be away for the next seven days. If you leave any comments I will respond when I return.

Ardent said...

I have today located your blogsite. Welcome to the Blogsphere! There are not many Turkish-Cypriot bloggers, so I am delighted that I found your site and I look forward to reading your posts.
:)

Wotso Evah said...

Dear Ardent,
thank you for the warm welcome. I found your site a month or so ago and I bookmarked it, but I haven't had much time to read through it. However, it looks as though there is a lot on your blog that is of interest to me. I will be adding a link to your blog and I look forward to further communications with you.:)

Anonymous said...

ARMENS OR ARMEDMANS.......
What to do about so called armen genoside... 1) This subject it is not belong to newspapaper man or politicians.RESTRICTLY BELONG TO THE HISTORIANS with studing in ANKARA... 2)Politicians has limits on this; a)They are to make arraingmets fastest with historians to make them studies archives in ANKARA...(till then nobody has right to do otherwise(till then limited to talking to air..bribes,public money misused, under table payments etc, to the limited) b) after the historians results in Ankara any politicians has right to take action about the subject... 3)Anybody out there Turkish Goverment has open invitation to the armens nultiple times remainding to everybody come to table with historians study the open archives..armens knows they are going to loose that is why they are afraid not to come to the table... 4)Meanwile below explanations what the devil in them ,backing even further then armen versus -non armens -what happen to them when they are embarked from NOAH s ARK ,till then SAME CRAP repeats by sending the bill to non armens etc. ALL THE BELOW MATERIALS ARE TEXT ITEMS SHOULD BE TEACHED IN THE SCHOOLS For both sides and through out the world(currently fabricated armen stories backed by the under table paid followers and blessed the mess by the ortodoxs priest linked to the devil version egzist...) 5)strongly recomended to expose handful armens and illegal activities of their fo;;owers -politicians causing millions of armens trap in armenia from the truth unlees politicians directly make arraingment to historians quikly to the table,rather than stealing the job from historians by filling the pocets...limited to the TALK TO ME BABY... 6) enjoy the below ultimate explanations and HOW YOU CAN GET RIDE-OF YOUR VIRUS in multiple cases...(( Su ana kadar bu konularda tarihcilerimiz haric yetkisi olmayan kisiler on planda gozukmektedir. her zaman oldugu gibi kahvede dedikodu tarzinda kalabilen iyi niyet tasisalar bile onlar tarihci degil ,Malumunuz bu iki taraftada bu seviye otesine cikmaktan yoksun kalmaya mahkum olmus Ermenilerin kendi cikarlari icin Turklere karsi kullandigi seytansal bir iftiradir.Aglama bebegi olmalari kendilerine saniyelik vizeler saglamis,masa altindan Mafia tarzinda yandaslariyla sahsi maddi gelirleri diger devletlerin vatandaslarinin vergileriyle tek tarafli gizli cikarlari icin seytansal olarak kullanmis faturayi Turkler de dahil ermeni olmayanlara odettirdikleri Nuhun gemisi agri dagina indiginden beri baslamis plan bir asagilik konudur.Yani bu oyunlari Turklerden cok evvelden beri gelen bir seytansal kemirgen asaliklari herhangi bir devletin icinde olduklarindan beri devam eden ve ermeni kilisesi tarafindan desteklenen asagilik bir konudur.Setansal ve sahte bir uydurmacilari oldugu icin T.C. nin actigi arsivlere ve ve tarihcilerle uzerinden gidilme cagrilarindan kaybedeceklerini bildikleri icin kacinmaktalar ,seytansal karanliliklarla mafia tarzi kisisel cikarlari icin tercih ederek devam etmeyi secmislerdirT.C.tarafindan defalarca arsivler uzerinden Tarihcilerle gidilmesi davetini duymamazliklari devam ediyor.Nuhun gemisinden indiklerinden beri ayni namussuzlarinin aliskanliklari adet olmus kendilerince...eger masaya tarihcilerle otururlarsa foyalari ortaya cikacaklarini biliyorlar.... asagidaki eklemelerin karmasik olmasi gerekli olarak Ortodoks kilisesi de dahil yunan ,bulgar .sirp,rus ortodoks olarak ayni amaci paylasip ve diger yandas hiristiyan ulkelerdeki onemli mevkilerdekileri de kullanarak seytansal cikarlari baskalarinin vergileriyle sahsi olarak ceplere girmektedir.Eger bu sahis;ar konulari da ciddi ise ACIK DAVETE tarihcilerle arsivlere istinaden masaya oyursunlar.Bunun haricinde kalan sahislar sadece dedikodu yapmakla sinirlidir iyi kalpli olsalar bile ve seytanin elinde oyuncak olmakla sinirlidir... Simdi asagidaki karmasik gibi gorulen duxenlemeler bunun nasil bir sahtekarlik duzmecesi oldugunu ,ayrica sahte ermeni konusundan da otelerini seytanla el sikismis olanlarinin ayni pozisyona dustuklerini yansitiyor.Kisacasi Ermeni ve yandaslari bunlarin sahte oldugunu bildigi icin masaya oturmuyor ciddi olmayip hep taviz koparmaya da yuzsuzlukle devam edip(ERMENI ISTEMEDEN VERMELI) atasozumuze bile tas cikartacak cinsten seytansal bir tuzakla masa altindan cep doldurmak ve ortados kilisesi tarafinda na takdis rdilmekle devam eden seytanin takibinde olamakl;a kaliyor.... Eger ciddiyetleri varsa bu arsiler dogrultusunda sadece tarihcilerle sonuc alinabilecek konu.Bundan once hic kimsenin yetkisi yok yani siyasetcilerin (sadece masaya oturulmasina kadar yetkili-tarihci;er isini bitirinceye kadar beklemeli-sonuca gore ise devam etmeyle sinirlidir) yani siyasetci,ordan burdan gazeteci,diger sahislarla sonuclanmaz.iyi kalpli olsalar bile (supheli)dedikoduyla devama mahkumdur.... Asagidakiler insanligin seytansal tarafini egitimsel olarak karisik ve cok yonlu goster,ektedir.her zaman tarih gibi tekrar ederler ve sabrinizi gosterirseniz ermeni ve yandaslari da dahil ilk defa hayatinizda buyuk arinma katkilari olacaktir.Sahislarin icindeki seytan onlari terk edince Tarihcilerle masaya oturup arsivler uzerinden kendilerinin muzurlugundan kurtulmus okacaktir.... ACILISA SOYLE GIRELIM.... EDUCATIONAL TEXT ITEMS TO ARMENS AND THEIR FOLLOWERS......

((MUST SEE THE VIDEO) =gormeniz gereken video)))
http://yenisafak.com.tr/video/?i=145294


Please ,do find perfect match(ASTONISHING MATCH ARMEN THE RICH or ARMENS or ARMEDMANS , WHO REPAITS , SO CALLED GENOSIDE..TRY TO SEND THE BILL ,TO NON-ARMENS....) of the what happen to armens or how they became ARMEDMANS ....when they got out the Noah ship( on mt.Ararat....)
Of course ,when the ship arrives there was host waiting outside (the Lucifier)...When the children of Abraham start embarking ,somehow ,the armens , immediatly hand shake and recieved the Grand Deed (tapu) ( conditionally =''on ,sartli) of the region from the LUCIFIER ,who ever else beside them, turns up the stranger and armenians starts genosides.... but since they made the deal with the lucifer which the rules always ,must work backwards ,which is armenians claims, they became the genocide victims ...also, other rule of the LUCIFIER ,the tape , ( the story) must be endless tape and to be repated years and after years as we speaking know...) this armenian ,greek ,kurds issues are not obeying the land of the laws ,where they lived througout history and they refused to call theirself beeing citizen of that country .Wherever they lived in and they becamed molested by enemy of that countrys and always became cry babys after the dust setteled.This is kind of being dui, (drunk driving=etki altinda=sarhos))and being partner with the Lucufer ...(taking orders and gudience from priest not from the Bible, induvacually....)
,Man made organized crime ,with the joint star the Lucufer and no God in it whatsoever...they did deal with the Lucufer as a closed circut t.v (Non Armens must be genoside).Armens ,starts to send the Lucifier Bill of theirs , to the NON -ARMENS. always.....since then and as we speak now , to the current ones ,the Turks....(non armens=made by multi ethnics,,,) (also proverb of Turks created for them ; ERMENI ISTEMEDEN VERMELI;(since they lived under Turk Goverments which is multi-ethnic ...armens refers that Turks and for them, easy way to make the bill...)armens = armedmens and their so called armens genoside ,once a year ,in theirself , the Lucifier Virus vibrates at the highest....(only remedy for them . go to Ankara , with historians , open the archives. They were opened for the Koceryan and open invitation still waiting for them ,withalong ,multiple remaindings for them,but .they afraid to lose and they wont show-up,rather using the hoax issue , as usual ,making under table dealings , filling the pockets ,cannig everybody worldwide,including their own trapped people in armenia from the truth....(the reasons explained above)

REMARKS;
Noticed ,armen the Rich , ignoring to give answers , always ,(backward talkigs.,.etc.always...(as explained above ,stronge exposure to the Lucifier Virus ..) Now , all we know the armens , exposed to the this Lucifier virus long before the Turks they were living under the Turk goverments.... and they did multiple times massacers , to non armens , (to their shipmates...) when they embarked the Noah ' s ship... at Mt .Ararat ( AGRI DAGI = ismini boylece BUTUN AGRILARIN geldigi yer olmasindan almistir....Turk dilindeki essiz ve bir cok yerlerde hakli ve manidar isimlerinden ,sifreli , nedenlerinin gizliligine , en guzel bir ornek ,her zaman incelemege alinirsa aciklik getiren , hedefli ve nedeni olan , gizemli deyisler.le dolup tasarlar....)....and now ,as we are speaking . continue ,.Also , that is why Mt.Ararat , so important to them(you see since Noah Ark , they killed ,lots of NON-Armes, (therefore KAN TUTMASI etkisi altinda kaldilar....)
Unfortunatelly,their mess backed by the Ortodoxs priests and they are only limited , blessing the mess only... so, they can pocket money too...(Ortadokuz cekmekle mesguller...)

Hope ,this explanatios , will help , what was happening to armens the armedmans ( how they becamed of it...),way back then and know and will help to overcome and come clean their the Lucifier virus , with historians results , in ANKARA. according to their LUCIFIER VIRUES SYMPTOMS....they are suffering from and try to send that bill to non armens (P.S; The bill has two meaning 1) fatura demek 2) other meaning of the Bill ( kanun cikartmak)( by fooling or bribing (rusvet vererek) to worldwide , using other goverments at public services , (By wasting those countries tax moneies ) by missusing, passing laws the hoax armen genoside....unproven by the historians...
WITHOUT PROVEN BY THE HISTORIANS in ANKARA(this hoax issue ,currently,limited to worlwide politicians and self interest groups gains , as the hoax subject hostaged from historians result and never given chace to even start , for illegal , multi reasons gains(which is not their own job because ,unproven by the HISTORIANS which is their job. Politicians job is limited to make fastest arraingment to historians do their job in ANKARA and wait......after the resulted endorsement of the historians , politicians are limited to only make it offical....like a,b,c, it is that easy.... (as we speak now and before, there are worldwide , resulted genosieds ,focus on those ,(including your own , resulted ones or still undergoing here in there...domestically or internationally...)) if you really , like to stop , real genosides, and don't fall , for the hoax, so called armen genoside and insult the world.....) and the hoax so called armen genoside clamers and the followers ,busy to filling their pockets illegally ,by using those countries tax monies and they calll theirself their own public servants becams as a JOKE..


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ALSO READ THIS....Turkish Republic owes to the WORLD passing AMERIKAN INDIANS GENOSIDE bill by the USA to the confisud world WHAT IS REAL GENOSIDE IS............TURKISH REPUBLIC MUST PASS AMERICAN INDIANS GENOSIDE (which is 100 persont pure genoside in the world)AGAINST USA AND TURKISH REPUBLIC MUST SHOW BY THIS ACTION TO THE WORLD (confiused world do not know what is genoside really) AS TODAY....THIS IS DUTY FROM THE TURKS TO THE MANKIND IN THE WORLD IN THIS ISSUE....AND EDUCATE THE HANDFULL MAFIA LIKE POLITICIANS IN THE WORLD.. AND SAVE MILLIONS OF THE PEOPLE IN THE WORLD BEING HOSTAGE WHAT IS REALLY GENOSIDE.......ACT KNOW...WORLD IS WAITING YOU AS TURKISH REPUBLIC....(BELOW FIND THE AMERICAN INDIANS PURE GENOSIDE ARTICLE WHICH USA GOVERMENT FOUNDED . TOP OF IT FROM SCRATCH ............NOW WHOEVER YOU ARE AND CLAIM YOURSELF SO CONCERN ABOUT GENOSIDES THIS SO CALLED ARMENS GENOSIDE (UNPROVEN BY THE HISTORIANS YET) CROOK POLITICIANS AND UNDERGROUND OPERATIONS PAYING YOUR DIRTY BILLS ILLEGALLY THAT IS WHY YOU ARE NOT LETTING THE HISTORIANS DO THEIR JOBS WITH RESULTS BEFORE THAN YOU ARE THE BUSTERD FOOLING ALL OF US WITH OUR TAX MONEIES.....CARVE THIS IN YOUR FOREHEAD...THIS IS NOT PROVEN YET BY THE HISTORIANS. THEREFORE IT IS NOT YOUR BUSSINES IN THESE STAGE..... DIP NOT;HEY POLITICIANS WHY YOU MAKING YOURSELF ALSO JACK ASS AND GETTING IN TO SUBJECT WITHOUT PROVEN BY THE HISTORIANS,,,AND VAISTING PEOPLE TAX MONIES AND GETTING BLACK MONEY FOR YOURSELF AND A FEW VOTES. IF YOU HONEST AND AFTER HISTORIANS WORKED ON IT WITH THE RESULTS YOU WOULD GET MORE VOTES AND YOU WILL BE HONERED BY THE PEOPLE....PLEASE DONT BE LOWER YOUR GRADE FOR THE PEOPLE HERE AND ABROAD..... ALSO DO YOU NO GOOD YOU ARE COMING OUT AS POLITICIANS ON ONE SIDE AND I AM OTHER SIDE AS CITIZEN NOW TELL YOU SOMETHING SINCE YOU ARE STUPID AND DISHONESTED SHOWING UP FOR PUPLIC. TELL YOU HOW THE BEST WAY WHAT YOU SHOULD BE SAYING.......HERE IT IS; THIS SO CALLED ARMENIAN GENOSIDE NOT RESULTED BY THE HISTORIANS WHICH BELONG TO THEM NOT TO ME .I WANT HISTORIANS FINISH THEIR WORKS IMMEDIATLY AND I WILL WORK FOR THIS HAPPENS AND RESULTED BY THEM.AFTER RESULTED IT IS MY JOB TALKED ABOUT IT ANYWHERE I WANT. YOU SEE IUT IS EASY LIKE ABC...NOW YOU GET VOTES FROM BOTH SIDES PLENTY OF IT..... ONLY YOU WILL MISSED THE DIRTY MONEY AND USING THIS UNFINISH SUBJET LIKE A CHEWING GUM AND YOU WILL WAIST YOUR ENERGY NEGATIVE WAY AND DIVADING THE PUBLIC IN USA AND AROUND THE WORLD.... AS SINNERS.... _______ UFO noticed the article about so called genoside and numbers of missing armenians with along constintly purpuously with fabricated stories from handful mafia armenians such as KOCERYAN years after years for underground operations for the benefit of handful armenians(which majority armenians also being hostage from truths.UFO also realesed their archives in this issue states that no armenians being abducted furhermore many armenians beeing observed leavig by the French,English,Italian,and to multi international countries with political gains over Turks.UFO also includes latest censor results taken in armenia about stil where is going these ordinary armenias really in the past and present with the same motifs.Please do find below additions useful for yourself NOT TO BE SCAMMED ANYMORE.....Gonderen:UFO Tarih : 01/12/07 http://www.milliyet.com.tr/2007/12/01/dunya/adun.html ALSO Please do find one of the usefull UFO realeses previously how to stop this hoax matter.....ARMENIAN STUCK WITH GENOSIDE VIRUS AND HERE IS REMEDY FOR THEM.... this hoaxs so called GENOSIDE solutions is very simple.HERE it is HOW: Each person who hears armenian genoside must tell party. TURKS CALLED KOCERYAN TO THE TABLE with historians to get endorsment first so far armenians afraid they will lose .they dont respond. they chose to hostage the subject from historians. handfull armenians made hostege also ordinary millions armenians from the truth. subject being used underground operation=mafia=special interest making billions year after year with tax payers monies....Also EVERY MONTH TURKISH GOVERMENT MUST MAKE TAPE RECORDER TO WORLD PRESS SAYING THAT THIS MONTH ARMENIANS DIDNT COME TO THE TABLE IN ANKARA WITH HISTORIAN CLEARENCE BECAUSE THEY AFRAID AGAIN THEY WILL LOOSE.... YES UFO RECOMMEN D THIS FOR ARMENIAN CRAP CAN BE STOP FOR THEM....HEY KOCERYAN ARE YOU STILL LAVE YOUR ARMENIAS FROM THE TRUTH BY NOT COMING THE TABLE ...you alreay have millions with your associates...by coming the table your trapped ordinary armenians will have chance make money too.... ESCAPES FROM ARMENIA TO TURKEY FROM ARMENIAN GENOSIDE.....http://www.milliyet.com.tr/2007/12/31/son/sontur58.asp?prm=095344555752 ARMENIANS STUCK WITH THE GENOSIDE VIRUS.WHILE THEY WERE GOT OUT THE NOAH S SHIP AFTER THE BIG FLOOD THEY HANDSHAKE WITH THE LUCIFIER AND CONTAMINATED WITH LUCIFIER VIRUS... ......... ----------------------------- ++++++++++Watched movie so called armeniam genocide on channel 50 the armenian serving station.the movie was about after the big flood when the armenians get of the noah's ship they immediatly hand shake and recieved the deed of the region from the LUCIFIER who ever else beside them turns up stranger and armenians starts genosides.... but since they made the deal with the lucifer which the rules always must work backwards which armenians claims they became genocide victims ...also other rule of the LUCIFIER the tape(story) must be endless tape and to be repated years and after years as we speaking know ......(and seen many genocide happens by them since then) Film maker is jews who oppose to love of Moses and also connected to the LUCIFIER also looks fat on the introduction becuse of leaving his jews diet had lots of armenian free meals one after another and begs to to be donations one dollar or fifty cents even eartlhy belongins from wiewers...As above the game of The LUCIFIER must backwards and the tape (story) must be endless tape and.,.with their demonized helpers (because of dollars made and get some evil taste..)Rating i give the movie in the catogory of performance Of the LUCIFIER is 10 but .naturally it is impossible to have GOD in it(in GOD catogary) I GAVE BELOW ZERO...+++++++this armenian greek kurds issues are not obeying the land of the laws where they lived througout history and they refused to call theirself beeing citizen of that country wherever they lived in and they becamed molested by enemy of that countrys and always became cry babys after the dust setteled.this is kind of being dui (drunk diving)and being partner with lucufer(taking orders and gudience from priest not from the bible induvacually.manmade organized crime with joint star lucufer no god in it whatsoever...they did deal with lucufer as a closed circut t.v (Non Armens must be genoside).+++++++Please notice that armenian,greek, kurd, surbians ,rusians follow the ortodoxs priest doing so is same as followers of the LUCUFER which no god in it.Same thing in common they do share through out history also joins demonized helpers (ENEMY of THE TURKISH REPUBLIC)such as U.S.A. Rusians.Greeks,british.french ,italian etc...++++++As their anniversary all we do see outbreake of the LUCIFIER virus .Starts to vibrate again .To cure it and before throwup etc....they must remember the NOAH s ship and 24 Hours and 7 days they must priactice The BIBLE among WITH NON ARMENS and STOP SENDING THE LUCIFIER BILLS TO NON ARMENS,while they do that and the lucifier looks like the bird of the OSTERICH ( this bird thinks hiding itself by burriying little head in the bush or in the sand but all the body and big ass complete outside)This is the same style of the LUCIFIER ... how works among us .....+++++ This is from Hurriyet (press)......Ermeni vahşetinin Rus görgü tanığı 24 Mart 2007 A.A. Genelkurmay Başkanlığı, Ermenilerin doğu cephesinde yaptıklarına görgü tanıklığı eden Rus yarbayın günlüğünü yayımladı. Genelkurmay ATASE Başkanlığınca yayımlanan “Gördüklerim Anılarım” adlı anı kitabında, Birinci Dünya Savaşı sırasında, 1917 yılı sonları ile 1918 yılı ilk aylarında, Erzurum'da 2. Ermeni-Rus Kale Topçu Alay Komutanlığı yapan Rus Yarbay Tverdohlebov'un el yazısıyla tuttuğu günlüğündeki notlarına yer verildi. Rus yarbayın günlüğünde Ermeni vahşetinin boyutları, akıl almaz katliamları gözler önüne serilirken, “Ermeniler oldukça yeteneksiz, asalak, açgözlü, ancak başka bir milletin sırtından geçinebilen bir millet saymak mümkündür” deniliyor. Notlarda, “Ermeni askerler en aşağılık, en adi sınıftan sayılmışlardır. Bunlar, her zaman geri hizmetlerde görev yapmak için gayret göstermişler, cepheden kaçmışlardır” ifadeleri yer alıyor. Türkçe, İngilizce, Fransızca ve orijinalın tıpkı basımı (Rusça) şekliyle hazırlanan kitap, Genelkurmay Başkanlığının internet sitesinde de yayımlandı. Sitede yer alan bilgi notunda, “Gördüklerim ve duyduklarım Ermenilerle ilgili her türlü tahmin ve tasavvur sınırlarını fazlasıyla aşmıştır diyen Yarbay Tverdohlebov'un anıları, Ermeni iddialarına verilebilecek en güzel cevap niteliğindedir” denildi+++++++++ Sadece Israil cikarina hizmet eden ve KOLE ARAYAN yalanci ve sinsi Bush yonetiminden dazlak ve cilali ve parlak kafali Cheny Ankara yi KAZIKLAMAK icin geliyor. Dazlak ve cok parlak kafasindaki isik yansimasindan Gozlerinizin KOR OLMAMASI icin SIYAH RENKLI GOZLUKLER giyilmesi ve KULAKLARININIZI TIKAMANIZ vucut ve can sagliginiz icin ACIL KODUYLA DUYURULUR..... From press http://www.stargazete.com/index.asp?haberID=148825 ++++++++ Ah Su HAHAMBASLARI (ve bunun Gibileri ve takipcileri) From press........http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/gundem/8512507.asp?gid=229&sz=47705 (ASAGIDAKI YORUM INSANIN HER GUN KARSILASTIGI IYI VE SEYTANIN NASIL MESAFE YAPTIGINA DEGINEN EGITIMSEL VE GERCEKLI BIR IZAHATTIR...) BUTUN HAHAMBASILAR SADECE DIGER HAHAMBASINI TAKIP EDER... MUSA dan ve onun insan askindan VE ALLAH ASKINDAN nefret ederler.Onun icin HAHAM baslari destegiyle MOSAD gizli servisi kurulmus ve SADECE HAHAMBASLARININ VE SADECE seytansal POLITIK VE PARASAL CIKARINI ve MUSA nin ismini ve onun Allaha olan askini ve insanin ALLAHA sevgisini ONLEMEK ICIN.... ( HAHAMBASI VE HAHAMLAR ALLAHIN ILK YAZILI EMRI OLAN TEVRAT TA ANIDEN ALLAHA KARSI OLARAK SEYTANI TEMSIL ETMEK ICIN ILK SIRADA ROL ALMAK TA KARAR VERMISLER) TEVRAT ve INCIL de HAHAMBASLARI ve SADECE ONLARIN TAKIPCILERI ALLAHIN GAZABINA DEFALARCA UGRAMISLARDIR,HEPSININ OZETI OLAN KURAN BUNU ACIKCA SON OLARAK BELIRLER.... (hahambaslarinin suphe cekmeyen VEYA supheyi o an icin farkedemeyenleri de dahil ucuncu parti olarak kullanmalari( ISA nin ROMA lilar tarafindan oldurtulme tezgahligi VE bunun her gun ARAMIZ DA tekrar edilmesi ve SEYTANIN tekrar tekrar memnun ettirmekteki kararliliklari icin HER GUN DEVAMINI SAGLAMAK HAHAMLARIN TEK GOREVI DIR VE AYNI MODELI DEGISIK TOPLUMLARDA DA DUNYA CAPIN DA GERCEKLESTIRILMESINDEN SEYTANA HIZMET VERMEK ICIN ILK ON SIRAYI TUTMAK ICIN YEMIN ETMISLERDIR...)) AYNI ZAMAN DA ALLAHA KARSI VE SEYTAN CIKARI NA YAPTIRIMA KATILAN YANI SEYTANA YENIK DUSEN KISILER DE VE BUNA EN UFAK BILE KATKI YAPANLAR DA ALLAH TARAFIN DAN HAHAMBASI VEYA HAHAM SIFATI TASIMASA BILE AYNI CEZALI DURUMDA OLDUKLARI YANI SEN VE BEN OLARAK GUNCEL YASAMIMIZ DA IMA EDILIYOR....... ATALARIMIZIN DEDIGI GIBI DE ELEMTERE FIS KEM GOZLERE SIS DIYEREK. ALLAHA YAKINLIGIMIZI 24 SAAT 7 GUN ALLAHA VE BIRBIRIMIZE ISPATLAYALIM.....BOL SANSLAR.......( ILAVE http://www.stargazete.com/index.asp?haberID=148662 CHINA HELPS TURKISH GOVERMENT IN POLITICS.... fROM PRESS....CHINA TEACHES THE USA HUMAN RIGHTS TO USA(BUT TURKISH GOVERMENT DOESNT DEFEND ITSELF ON USA CHARGES)(UNFORTUNATELLY TURKISH GOVERMENT BUSY BREAKING LAIKLIK LAWS AND ATATURK ILKELERI AND ETC. WHERE TURKISH REPUBLIC FOUND ON IT.... From press http://yenisafak.com.tr/dunya/?t=14.03.2008&c=4&i=105441----------------------------- USA WON AGAIN THE PRIZE (THE BEST DOUBLE FACE) Details on http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/dunya/8354535.asp?gid=229&sz=12775 AND ALSO http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/gundem/8393855.asp?gid=229&sz=28371 AGAIN and AGAIN ...From press .....http://w9.gazetevatan.com/haberdetay.asp?tarih=28.02.2008&Newsid=164459&Categoryid=1 ,,,, Once more USA SHOWS support and PROOF of terorisim =USA double face=Faceles=USA needs terorisim so he can sell more guns = American intrests=Whatever makes money with no morals=USA couldnt be friend because orcestra terorisim with CIA= here previously repeating news once more .......Gonderen:, Tarih : 22/12/07 USA HAS TO COME CLEAN by HITTING TERORIST TARGET HIMSELF UNDER HIS CONTROL Conguralitions to USA ...Just made 20 million dollars...by giving double informaions to terorist and to Turks.USA expects more gun sales to both sides very easly...and Turks can built again the empty concrete buildings....nice going to USA..... USA has to come clean by hitting terorist himself which is under his control... not looking profits from both sides.... OTHERWISE USA STILL SUPPORT TERORISIM FOR THE BIG PROFITS IN THE WORLD ON GUN SALES..... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gonderen:, Tarih : 22/12/07 USA PLANS TO TRICK TURKS ONCE MORE.... FOR ITS DIRTY WORKS..... http://www.yenisafak.com.tr/dunya/?t=11.12.2007&c=4&i=86927 ---------------------------------- NEW U.S.EMBASSADOR TO ANKARA (as brained wash and kissed ass so called armen genoside....) http://www.milliyet.com.tr/Dunya/HaberDetay.aspx?aType=HaberDetay&Kategori=dunya&KategoriID=&ArticleID=998185&Date=02.10.2008&b=Yeni%20buyukelciden%20Ermeni%20yaniti...&ver=46---------------------------------------------- USA EMBASSADOR in ANKARA Ross Wilyims should be kicked-out which embassy (VERY MUCH OVERDUE) became CIA head quarters being contacts some ethnic turks to be used against Turkish Republic to many dinners, party invitations, frequent trips in Turkey and contacts and bad speaches for it which hurts two state relations and are being made with USA tax payers money for covert operations hurting the State to State relations between two country and much more.... (activities getting to be more HORNEY in each time....) . FLASH...FLASH.... ULTIMATE SOLUTION FOR USA ECONOMY,,,here how it is; As everybody knows whenever USA goverment needs more money he just prints for himself,now the idea is the same goverment money printing machine maksimum recommended size must be 2X2 feets in model must be given to each houshould and each houshold responsible the amount of the money to be print and meet their expecess,,,,this will solve all USA economic problems... ____________________ ANY OTHER WAYS WILL NEVER WORK...IT WILL LOOK LIKE ONE DAY STAND ONLY ... ANY CURRENT TRYS ...IT WILL BE EVEN WORST THAN (NOT ENOUGH)ONE DAY X-MAS GIFT supplys to here among us,,, IMAGINE,IN YOUR FIRST MODEL MACHINE GIVEN TO YOUR HOUSHOLD ,NO MORE FINANCIAL PROBLEMS..... recommendations politicians and how to look good domestic and abroad...WHOEVER IS WILL BE PUBLIC OFFICIALS OR IT IS. THE SUBJECT SO CALLED ARMENS GENOSIDE (UNPROVEN BY THE HISTORIANS NOT GIVEN CHANCE TO EVEN START BECAUSE DIRTY MONEY FOR THEM AND A FEW VOTE.BECAUSE THEY ARE CROOCK)) IS BELONG TO HISTORIANS.AS A POLITICIANS DO NOT STEAL THIS JOB FROM HISTORIANS.IT IS NOT WITHIN YOUR CATOGORY. BEFORE RESULTUD BY THE HISTORIANS YOU ARE USING THIS HOAX SUBJECT IN ORDER TO GET MORE VOTES.IN THIS WAY YOU ARE ALSO WAISTING TAX PAYERS MONEY WHICH PUTS YOU IN THE SPOT BEING DISHONUST FOR ALL THE USA AND ABROAD.AND GIVING DIRTY LOOK OTHER FOREING COUNTRIES..... THIS SO CALLED ARMENS GENOSIDE GENOSIDE (UNPROVEN BY THE HISTORIANS NOT GIVEN CHANCE TO EVEN START BECAUSE DIRTY MONEY FOR THEM AND A FEW VOTE.BECAUSE THEY ARE CROOCK)) BECAUSE OF YOU LOOK LIKES I MEAN BETRADING THE PUBLIC AT LARGE BECAUSE OF A FEW VOTE, and BLACK MONEY NEVER GIVEN CHANCES TO THE HISTORIANS FOR RESULTS. YOU ARE A THIEF BY STEALING THIS JOB FROM HISTORIANS. IF YOU CONSERED REAL RESULTED GENOSIDES YOUR OWN WHICH YOU DID PLEASE FIND BELOW SO KEEPS YOU BUSY. AND BEAR YOUR OWN GUILT IF YOU REALLY HONEST ONE. GO A HEAD AND PROOF TO US ALL US CITIZENS AND WILL BE GLAD TO SEE OUR TAX DOLLARS GOING TO WRIGHT DIRECTIONS.IF YOU DONT YOU ARE BUSTERD....http://people.sabanciuniv.edu/ficici/ Also READ THESE.....from press 15/10/07 ISTE ABD NIN KENDI GENOSIDE=KATLIAM SICILI...USTELIK HOLIVUD KOVBOY FILIMLERI ILE MILYARLARCA DOLAR KAZANIP....BIZLER DAHIL HERKES EGLENCE GORUNUMDE DOGAL BIR SEY GIBI SEYRETTI......GENERAL CUSTER=KASTIR BILE DEAD INDIAN GOOD INDIAN DEDI İşte Amerika'nın soykırım sicili Sözde Ermeni soykırım karar tasarısını Temsilciler Meclisi Dış İlişkiler Komitesi'nde kabul ederek "Tarih hassasiyetini” ortaya koyan ABD yönetimi, kendi tarihindeki kanıtlanmış katliamlara gözlerini kapatıyor Tarihi olaylar hakkında 'oylamalarla' hükme varılamayacağı, bu alandaki araştırmaların, konunun uzmanı tarihçilere bırakılması gerektiği yönündeki çağrıları dikkate almayan ve sözde Ermeni soykırım karar tasarısını kabul ederek 'tarihi hassasiyetini' gösteren ABD Kongresi, kendi tarihindeki kanıtlanmış soykırım ve katliamlara karşı aynı duyarlılığı göstermiyor. Tarihi kızılderili katliamı, zenci köleliği ile lekelenmiş olan, Klu Klux Klan gibi insanlığın ırkçı örgütlere yataklık eden, modern tarihinde ise Vietnam'dan Afganistan'a, Irak'a kadar sayısız savaş ve çatışmaya neden olan ABD, tarihindeki bu lekelerle yüzleşmek yerine, başka ülkeleri insan hakları ihlaller ya da soykırımla suçlamayı tercih ediyor. 19. ASIRDAN FELLUCE'YE ABD vatandaşı iki Yahudi gencin sahibi olduğu internet arama motoru 'Google'da yüzeysel bir arama yapıldığında bile ABD'nin sicilinin temiz olmadığı ortaya çıkıyor. İşte ABD'nin işgal ve soykırım sicili: 1898: Meksika'yı işgal etti, aynı yıl Küba'ya girdi.. 1921: Nikaragua'yi isgal etti, Sandino ve 300 kişiyi katletti. 1945: Hiroşima ve Nagazaki kentlerine atom bombası attı, 250.000 kişiyi katletti. 1950-53: Yüz binlerce Koreli'yi katletti. 1954: Binlerce Guatemalalı'yı katletti. 1955: Endonezya, Laos, Kambocya'da çok sayıda CIA operasyonu düzenlendi. 1950-59: Küba'da 60.000 kişi ABD destekli Batista birliklerince katledildi. 1975: Vietnam'dan kovuldugunda ardında 170.000 ölü, 80.000 sakat, onbinlerce tecavüz olayı bıraktı. 1970-75'te Kamboçya ve Laos'ta 1.000.000 kişiyi katletti. 1983: Lübnan'da 14.000 deniz piyadesi binlerce kişiyi katletti ve aynı yıl Grenada'da yüzlerce kişiyi katletti. 1989: Panama'ya asker çıkarttı, 5.000 Panamalı'nın ölümüne sebep oldu. 1991: Irak'a saldırdı ve100.000'nin üzerinde Iraklı'nın öldü. 2003: Irak'ı işgal etti. Ve akan kan hâlâ durdurulamıyor. 80 milyon Kızılderiliden geriye 10 milyon kaldı Amerika'nın yerlileri olan Kızılderililer, sömürgeciler kıtaya varmadan önce o topraklarda yaşamaktaydılar. “Beyaz adamlar” Yeni Dünya'ya vardıklarında dünyada toplam 400 milyon insan yaşıyordu. Bu insanların beşte biri ise bu kıtadaydı. Bugün Amerika'da çok az sayıda yerli yaşıyor. Yani 80 milyon Kızılderili'den 70 milyonu öldürülmek ve köle olarak satılmak suretiyle Amerika'dan silindi. Avrupalılar Amerikalı Kızılderilileri köle olarak satmak için gemilerle Avrupa'ya taşırlarken bir yandan da Afrikalıları aynı amaçla Amerika'ya taşıyorlardı. ALSO READ THIS....Turkish Republic owes to the WORLD passing AMERIKAN INDIANS GENOSIDE bill by the USA to the confisud world WHAT IS REAL GENOSIDE IS............TURKISH REPUBLIC MUST PASS AMERICAN INDIANS GENOSIDE (which is 100 persont pure genoside in the world)AGAINST USA AND TURKISH REPUBLIC MUST SHOW BY THIS ACTION TO THE WORLD (confiused world do not know what is genoside really) AS TODAY....THIS IS DUTY FROM THE TURKS TO THE MANKIND IN THE WORLD IN THIS ISSUE....AND EDUCATE THE HANDFULL MAFIA LIKE POLITICIANS IN THE WORLD.. AND SAVE MILLIONS OF THE PEOPLE IN THE WORLD BEING HOSTAGE WHAT IS REALLY GENOSIDE.......ACT KNOW...WORLD IS WAITING YOU AS TURKISH REPUBLIC....(BELOW FIND THE AMERICAN INDIANS PURE GENOSIDE ARTICLE WHICH USA GOVERMENT FOUNDED . TOP OF IT FROM SCRATCH ............NOW WHOEVER YOU ARE AND CLAIM YOURSEF SO CONCERN ABOUT GENOSIDES THIS SO CALLED ARMENS GENOSIDE (UNPROVEN BY THE HISTORIANS YET) CROOK POLITICIANS AND UNDERGROUND OPERATIONS PAYING YOUR DIRTY BILLS ILLEGALLY THAT IS WHY YOU ARE NOT LETTING THE HISTORIANS DO THEIR JOBS WITH RESULTS BEFORE THAN YOU ARE THE BUSTERD FOOLING ALL OF US WITH OUR TAX MONEIES.....CARVE THIS IN YOUR FOREHEAD...THIS IS NOT PROVEN YET BY THE HISTORIANS. THEREFORE IT IS NOT YOUR BUSSINES IN THESE STAGE..... DIP NOT;HEY POLITICIANS WHY YOU MAKING YOURSELF ALSO JACK ASS AND GETTING IN TO SUBJECT WITHOUT PROVEN BY THE HISTORIANS,,,AND VASTIG PEOPLE TAX MONIES AND GETTING BLACK MONEY FOR YOURSELF AND A FEW VOTES. IF YOU HONEST AND AFTER HISTORIANS WORKED ON IT WITH THE RESULTS YOU WOULD GET MORE VOTES AND YOU WILL BE HONERED BY THE PEOPLE....PLEASE DONT BE LOWER YOUR GRADE FOR THE PEOPLE HERE AND ABROAD..... ALSO DO YOU GOOD YOU ARE COMING OUT AS POLITICIANS ON ONE SIDE AND I AM OTHER SIDE AS CITIZEN NOW TELL YOU SOMETHING SINCE YOU ARE STUPID AND DISHONESTED SHOWING UP FOR PUPLIC. TELL YOU HOW THE BEST WAY WHAT YOU SHOULD BE SAYING.......HERE IT IS; THIS SO CALLED ARMENIAN GENOSIDE NOT RESULTED BY THE HISTORIANS WHICH BELONG TO THEM NOT TO ME .I WANT HISTORIANS FINISH THEIR WORKS IMMEDIATLY AND I WILL WORK FOR THIS HAPPENS AND RESULTED BY THEM.AFTER RESULTED IT IS MY JOB TALKED ABOUT IT ANYWHERE I WANT. YOU SEE IUT IS EASY LIKE ABC...NOW YOU GET VOTES FROM BOTH SIDES PLENTY OF IT..... ONLY YOU WILL MISSED THE DIRTY MONEY AND USING THIS UNFINISH SUBJET LIKE A CHEWING GUM AND YOU WILL WAIST YOUR ENERGY NEGATIVE WAY AND DIVADING THE PUBLIC IN USA AND AROUND THE WORLD.... AS SINNERS.... __________ WARNING TO THE POLITICIANS IN TURKEY...which is DO NOT MENTION anything regarding TURBAN (basortusu) or try to put in agenda.You will be under violation on LAIKLIK (religion on regarding in items in TURKISH REPUBLIC umberalla at large.Induvucually you may do in your privite life and times except in official hours on duty on public buildings.....Since founder ATATURK wants you come in your senses doing so in this way which is mandotary for public safty at large in govermental level which founded on.Since his time basortusu is not pullud out from ordinary citizens heads in their belives and daily lives. The messages given by him stronlgy to you politicians and holding chair for the name of the public levels and explained by laws what where how you should be presented in benefit to all for us.......YOUR ONLY GOAL SHOULD BE HOW THE BEST WAY SERVE TO THE TURKISH REPUBLIC and hands off any religious or spiritual items or subjects....people indivucually know what to do in these subjects in their lives ....Ataturk indicated all the physicall aspects by the laws to everybody UNDER THE TURKISH REPUBLIC....TO MAKE YOU MORE UNDERSTAND CLICK OVER THIS AND READ .http://w9.gazetevatan.com/haberdetay.asp?tarih=28.01.2008&Newsid=159149&Categoryid=9 ALSO always you should remember GREEK and armenians ORTODAX HEAD CHURCH (in Istanbul ) always has been praying to the ancient multi greek gods.Therefore no special gain for them in Turkish soilAs they repeadly making politicical issue If they need more they shold go to the PARTENON which is headquarters of the GREEK GODS)(Topraklarimizda sadece Turkiye ye ve Turklere karsi ORTADOKUZ CEKMEYE DEVAM EDEN BIR CEMAAT OLARAK KALMALILAR) In Istanbul In that premises there is ONE DOOR WITH PADLOCK(kilit)ON IT AND THAT DOOR WILL NEVER WILL BE OPEN UNLESS ONE TURK BEEING HANGED(sacrifised)They are hiding behind of the cros but warshipping to greek gods against Turks always.That is why no peace will be between greeks ,Armens and Turks....Under the best demokrasi in the world in Turkey they are allowed to do so only without given more demaging benefits to them by the TURKISH GOVERMENT. to the Turkish goverment and multi ethnic citizens of it NATURALLY CALLED T U R K I S H to pissed off the enemies .....YOU ARE UNDER OBLIGATION TO FOLLOW THE GUIDELINES OF THE ATATURK WHICH IS FOUNDER OF THE TURKISH REPUBLIC AND YOU CAME WILLINGLY TO SERVE on limited terms FOR IT BY THE LAWS REGARDING YOUR SPIRUTURAL OR ETHNIC BACKGROUND AS A PROUD OF ONE OF THE TURKISH......Also read this http://www.milliyet.com.tr/2008/02/03/guncel/axgun03.html-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gonderen:, Tarih : 22/12/07 New cure found for SARKOZY (saRkozi Sizofrania) the enzime in Turkish escardo(suluk) where in Black Sea coast of Turkey(facing russia which is an Eurupan country)Also, the second Turkish escardo(suluk)on Eagean coast of Turkey(facing Greece a Europan country) and also in the Mediterranian Coast of Turkey(facing Cyprees which is in Europe) HERE IS HOW TO SARKOZY CAN CURE HIMSELF: Daily empty stomack one pound each from these 3 locations he must consume daily and he must drink ONLY one of world famous Turkish wine on his choise for his life time...This also,will lift THE CURSE FROM GREEK GODS for his vision problems.... ALSO, please ,find the Future Offical Drink of the EU "SULUK ON THE ROCK" (All the ingredients must be from Turkey due to the special healing enzimes....) (The Land Of The GARDEN of EDEN as mentioned in the BIBLE) Here is the recepie :( As explained above ) 1-Same amount SULUK from the mentionod 3 locations 2- only mix with the world famuous Turkish wine (red or white your choise 3- and VALA ready to go it is that easy.... http://www.yenisafak.com.tr/dunya/?t=12.01.2008&c=4&i=92785 and my sometime ago comment about Sarkozy past and his future came true... which was......New cure found for SARKOZY (saRkozi Sizofrania) the enzime in Turkish escardo(suluk) where in Black Sea coast of Turkey(facing russia which is an Eurupan country)Also, the second Turkish escardo(suluk)on Eagean coast of Turkey(facing Greece a Europan country) and also in the Mediterranian Coast of Turkey(facing Cyprees which is in Europe) HERE IS HOW TO SARKOZY CAN CURE HIMSELF: Daily empty stomack one pound each from these 3 locations he must consume daily and he must drink ONLY one of world famous Turkish wine on his choise for his life time...This also,will lift THE CURSE FROM GREEK GODS for his vision problems.... ALSO, please ,find the Future Offical Drink of the EU "SULUK ON THE ROCK" (All the ingredients must be from Turkey due to the special healing enzimes....) (The Land Of The GARDEN of EDEN as mentioned in the BIBLE) Here is the recepie :( As explained above ) 1-Same amount SULUK from the mentionod 3 locations 2- only mix with the world famuous Turkish wine (red or white your choise 3- and VALA ready to go it is that easy.... BABACAN vs. GREEK GODS BABACAN EMBARESES THE GREEK GODS WITH HIS SMILE,WHILE THEY HORRASES TURKISH FISHERMANS AND PLANES... MEVLANA WELCOMES YOU...http://www.yenisafak.com.tr/aktuel/?t=29.12.2007&c=5&i=90139 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gonderen:, Tarih : 22/12/07 SASUNYAN YOU HAD TO BE IN ANKARA FOR YOUR http://www.yenisafak.com.tr/dunya/?t=14.12.2007&c=4&i=87382 UFO noticed the article about so called genoside and numbers of missing armenians with along constintly purpuously with fabricated stories from handful mafia armenians such as KOCERYAN years after years for underground operations for the benefit of handful armenians(which majority armenians also being hostage from truths.UFO also realesed their archives in this issue states that no armenians being abducted furhermore many armenians beeing observed leavig by the French,English,Italian,and to multi international countries with political gains over Turks.UFO also includes latest censor results taken in armenia about stil where is going these ordinary armenias really in the past and present with the same motifs.Please do find below additions useful for yourself NOT TO BE SCAMMED ANYMORE.....Gonderen:UFO Tarih : 01/12/07 http://www.milliyet.com.tr/2007/12/01/dunya/adun.html ALSO Please do find one of the usefull UFO realeses previously how to stop this hoax matter.....ARMENIAN STUCK WITH GENOSIDE VIRUS AND HERE IS REMEDY FOR THEM.... this hoaxs so called GENOSIDE solutions is very simple.HERE it is HOW: Each person who hears armenian genoside must tell party. TURKS CALLED KOCERYAN TO THE TABLE with historians to get endorsment first so far armenians afraid they will lose .they dont respond. they chose to hostage the subject from historians. handfull armenians made hostege also ordinary millions armenians from the truth. subject being used underground operation=mafia=special interest making billions year after year with tax payers monies....Also EVERY MONTH TURKISH GOVERMENT MUST MAKE TAPE RECORDER TO WORLD PRESS SAYING THAT THIS MONTH ARMENIANS DIDNT COME TO THE TABLE IN ANKARA WITH HISTORIAN CLEARENCE BECAUSE THEY AFRAID AGAIN THEY WILL LOOSE.... YES UFO RECOMMEN D THIS FOR ARMENIAN CRAP CAN BE STOP FOR THEM....HEY KOCERYAN ARE YOU STILL LAVE YOUR ARMENIAS FROM THE TRUTH BY NOT COMING THE TABLE ...you alreay have millions with your associates...by coming the table your trapped ordinary armenians will have chance make money too.... ESCAPES FROM ARMENIA TO TURKEY FROM ARMENIAN GENOSIDE.....http://www.milliyet.com.tr/2007/12/31/son/sontur58.asp?prm=095344555752 ARMENIANS STUCK WITH THE GENOSIDE VIRUS.WHILE THEY WERE GOT OUT THE NOAH S SHIP AFTER THE BIG FLOOD THEY HANDSHAKE WITH THE LUCIFIER AND CONTAMINATED WITH LUCIFIER VIRUS... ......... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gonderen:, Tarih : 22/12/07 SOYKIRIM iste soykirimin gercek yuzu.... http://people.sabanciuniv.edu/ficici/ DREAMS COMES TRUE.... http://w9.gazetevatan.com/haberdetay.asp?tarih=28.12.2007&Newsid=154142&Categoryid=10 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gonderen:, Tarih : 22/12/07 USA HAS TO COME CLEAN by HITTING TERORIST TARGET HIMSELF UNDER HIS CONTROL Conguralitions to USA ...Just made 20 million dollars...by giving double informaions to terorist and to Turks.USA expects more gun sales to both sides very easly...and Turks can built again the empty concrete buildings....nice going to USA..... USA has to come clean by hitting terorist himself which is under his control... not looking profits from both sides.... OTHERWISE USA STILL SUPPORT TERORISIM FOR THE BIG PROFITS IN THE WORLD ON GUN SALES..... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gonderen:, Tarih : 22/12/07 USA PLANS TO TRICK TURKS ONCE MORE.... FOR ITS DIRTY WORKS..... http://www.yenisafak.com.tr/dunya/?t=11.12.2007&c=4&i=86927 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gonderen:, Tarih : 22/12/07 HISTORY ....USA(white man) vs native INDIANS (nothing to THANKS on thanksgivig about.......) http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21936101/ USA(white man) makes jokes on THANKSGIVING DAY to NATIVE INDIANS (nothing to thank for them.....) HISTORY ....USA(white man) vs native INDIANS (nothing to THANKS on thanksgivig about.......) Turkish Republic owes to the WORLD passing AMERIKAN INDIANS GENOSIDE bill by the USA to the confisud world WHAT IS REAL GENOSIDE IS............TURKISH REPUBLIC MUST PASS AMERICAN INDIANS GENOSIDE (which is 100 persont pure genoside in the world)AGAINST USA AND TURKISH REPUBLIC MUST SHOW BY THIS ACTION TO THE WORLD (confiused world do not know what is genoside really) AS TODAY....THIS IS DUTY FROM THE TURKS TO THE MANKIND IN THE WORLD IN THIS ISSUE....AND EDUCATE THE HANDFULL MAFIA LIKE POLITICIANS IN THE WORLD.. AND SAVE MILLIONS OF THE PEOPLE IN THE WORLD BEING HOSTAGE WHAT IS REALLY GENOSIDE.......ACT KNOW...WORLD IS WAITING YOU AS TURKISH REPUBLIC....(BELOW FIND THE AMERICAN INDIANS PURE GENOSIDE ARTICLE WHICH USA GOVERMENT FOUNDED . TOP OF IT FROM SCRATCH)++++++!+++++++(from press 15/10/07 ISTE ABD NIN KENDI GENOSIDE=KATLIAM SICILI...USTELIK HOLIVUD KOVBOY FILIMLERI ILE MILYARLARCA DOLAR KAZANIP....BIZLER DAHIL HERKES EGLENCE GORUNUMDE DOGAL BIR SEY GIBI SEYRETTI......GENERAL CUSTER=KASTIR BILE DEAD INDIAN GOOD INDIAN DEDI İşte Amerika'nın soykırım sicili Sözde Ermeni soykırım karar tasarısını Temsilciler Meclisi Dış İlişkiler Komitesi'nde kabul ederek "Tarih hassasiyetini” ortaya koyan ABD yönetimi, kendi tarihindeki kanıtlanmış katliamlara gözlerini kapatıyor Tarihi olaylar hakkında 'oylamalarla' hükme varılamayacağı, bu alandaki araştırmaların, konunun uzmanı tarihçilere bırakılması gerektiği yönündeki çağrıları dikkate almayan ve sözde Ermeni soykırım karar tasarısını kabul ederek 'tarihi hassasiyetini' gösteren ABD Kongresi, kendi tarihindeki kanıtlanmış soykırım ve katliamlara karşı aynı duyarlılığı göstermiyor. Tarihi kızılderili katliamı, zenci köleliği ile lekelenmiş olan, Klu Klux Klan gibi insanlığın ırkçı örgütlere yataklık eden, modern tarihinde ise Vietnam'dan Afganistan'a, Irak'a kadar sayısız savaş ve çatışmaya neden olan ABD, tarihindeki bu lekelerle yüzleşmek yerine, başka ülkeleri insan hakları ihlaller ya da soykırımla suçlamayı tercih ediyor. 19. ASIRDAN FELLUCE'YE ABD vatandaşı iki Yahudi gencin sahibi olduğu internet arama motoru 'Google'da yüzeysel bir arama yapıldığında bile ABD'nin sicilinin temiz olmadığı ortaya çıkıyor. İşte ABD'nin işgal ve soykırım sicili: 1898: Meksika'yı işgal etti, aynı yıl Küba'ya girdi.. 1921: Nikaragua'yi isgal etti, Sandino ve 300 kişiyi katletti. 1945: Hiroşima ve Nagazaki kentlerine atom bombası attı, 250.000 kişiyi katletti. 1950-53: Yüz binlerce Koreli'yi katletti. 1954: Binlerce Guatemalalı'yı katletti. 1955: Endonezya, Laos, Kambocya'da çok sayıda CIA operasyonu düzenlendi. 1950-59: Küba'da 60.000 kişi ABD destekli Batista birliklerince katledildi. 1975: Vietnam'dan kovuldugunda ardında 170.000 ölü, 80.000 sakat, onbinlerce tecavüz olayı bıraktı. 1970-75'te Kamboçya ve Laos'ta 1.000.000 kişiyi katletti. 1983: Lübnan'da 14.000 deniz piyadesi binlerce kişiyi katletti ve aynı yıl Grenada'da yüzlerce kişiyi katletti. 1989: Panama'ya asker çıkarttı, 5.000 Panamalı'nın ölümüne sebep oldu. 1991: Irak'a saldırdı ve100.000'nin üzerinde Iraklı'nın öldü. 2003: Irak'ı işgal etti. Ve akan kan hâlâ durdurulamıyor. 80 milyon Kızılderiliden geriye 10 milyon kaldı Amerika'nın yerlileri olan Kızılderililer, sömürgeciler kıtaya varmadan önce o topraklarda yaşamaktaydılar. “Beyaz adamlar” Yeni Dünya'ya vardıklarında dünyada toplam 400 milyon insan yaşıyordu. Bu insanların beşte biri ise bu kıtadaydı. Bugün Amerika'da çok az sayıda yerli yaşıyor. Yani 80 milyon Kızılderili'den 70 milyonu öldürülmek ve köle olarak satılmak suretiyle Amerika'dan silindi. Avrupalılar Amerikalı Kızılderilileri köle olarak satmak için gemilerle Avrupa'ya taşırlarken bir yandan da Afrikalıları aynı amaçla Amerika'ya taşıyorlardı. ++++++++ Gonderen:CAKIR Tarih : 08/12/07 ---------------------------------------------------CHINA TEACHES THE USA HUMAN RIGHTS (BUT TURKISH GOVERMENT DOESNT DEFEND ITSELF ON USA CHARGES) From press http://yenisafak.com.tr/dunya/?t=14.03.2008&c=4&i=105441----------------------------- Gonderen:, Tarih : 22/12/07 Amerikan indian tribe (SITTING BULL) going to celebrate KURBAN BAYRAMI in their style.... http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/dunya/7898675.asp?gid=180&sz=63241 THIS IS WONDERFUL NEWS.....KIZILDERELILER TURK KOKENLIMI.....ISTE CEVABI......http://w9.gazetevatan.com/haberdetay.asp?tarih=28.01.2008&Newsid=158993&Categoryid=7 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gonderen:, Tarih : 22/12/07 Sog protests Bush in Turkish(copy and paste the adress completly and on tags click over BUSH) http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=baris+akarsu-bush&search=Search -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gonderen:, Tarih : 22/12/07 Singer PINK protests BUSH with video Watch(dear mr.president) http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=PINK&search=Search sanatçı Pink'in şarkısının sözleri şöyle: SEVGİLİ BAŞKAN Biz geri kalanlar ağlarken nasıl uyuyabiliyorsun? Bir anne çocuğuna veda etme şansına sahip değilken nasıl rüya görebiliyorsun? Nasıl başın dik yürüyebiliyorsun? Gözlerimin içine bakıp nedenini söyleyebilir misin? Sevgili Başkan, yalnız bir çocuk muydun? Yalnız bir çocuk musun? Hiçbir çocuğun geride bırakılmadığını nasıl söyleyebiliyorsun? Aptal değiliz ve kör değiliz. Sen cehenneme giden yolu döşerken, onlar senin hücrelerindeler. Nasıl bir baba öz kızının haklarını elinden alır? Ve nasıl bir baba, kızının eşcinsel olma ihtimalinde ondan nefret edebilir? Viski ve kokainden buraya yine iyi yol katettin! First Lady'nin ne diyebileceğini tahmin edebiliyorum. Ben sana sıkı işin ne olduğunu anlatayım. Bebek beklerken asgari maaş kazanmaktır. Evin bombayla yıkıldıktan sonra inşa etmektir. 14.01.2008 WHO IS TURK OR TURKIHS......... Good hearted Ardent brought up the subject which is alltime sleeping carbon copy subject in human beeing where good versus evil 24-7 Here how it works.....within the borders of Turkish Repeblic all the citizens called Turk,Turkish citizen.If i ask you your etnic background you may say yours....because everybody has different ethnic back ground....it may reached to hundred kimds.Everybody open their eyes there is no only Kurdish or Armenian bakgrounds in Turkey.These two idiots flahsing therself to other many ethnic backgrouns in turkey just like the bird OSTERICH hide his little head in the sand but big body and the ass complete expose outside but this bird still thinks itself hided...this is sad to others be like that as all called Turkish citizen .Anybody dont like to be Turkish citizen you may go out of turkey.If you dont and act like still Kurd and armenian you have to kill other ethnic background people reaching in numbers hundred.But kurd and armenian flashing on their face also evil twist suddenly calling them Turk.In deed in this style to match kurd armenian also turk because they are citizen of turkey just like others in turkey See how the devil in them try to switch gear in front of my eyes.entering different catogery.no commen sence,no logic,no sience to proof this cris s cross the devil in kurds and armens.psicolacigly they need lots of sessions to get the point flashing their ethnic backgrounds on to others in large numbers . They are in default coming out like that Because i did not asked their backgrounds they flashed on my face .Because i am another one of the ethnic they call me turkish. to me they are turkish too while they are citizen of turkey. (Through out history they have been used by the enemies of TURKEY.Becasuse they live like closed circut tv only..easy target like bird .After all said and done they been punished by the goverment whicever they live in and what land of the laws they broke..and they start cries..and these all time repeats....)I will be so honest not to tell my ethnic background because no body asked me i am accused to be turkish directly by these two...Okey these two sick ethnic flashers beeing used and abused by the Enemies of turkey to come out like that to make a evil case ...Why they are so dam heads to countinie to be slave to devil like that to be used ,abused and molested always.Change citizenship and pile top on top on the land if you can find only kurds or only armenians because look like any body else kind is not kurd or armenian and label them oppositly by continuuing devil game....you dont need to get shot by other etnics and die stupidly also call them turk if you come forward as kurd armen ethnic backgroud to others ethnics(you have nerve to call them just turks)indeed you should ask same way indivucually what it your ethnic background rather than acting like the famuous bird OSTERICH.It is turning me off seen just the big ass which they are not awere of doing that also the devil blinding the eyes so dirty work continues. now hope whoever reading this with the brain and connected to the heart (eacother) and no loose wire will spot the devil twist how working in humans just for desturuction and being the tool for devil only. if everybody focus this things deeply we are just BROKE THE CODES OF THE DEVIL...very simply and shows up simply such a style in different cases amongs us. We should be extremly causus how good versus devil senorio.I do deeply thanks to Metin and Ardent Gave me opportunities to exprees i mean try to express this spirutually victimized kurd and armen subject.Notice this unsetteled spirutual in induvucuals and issues cannot be express even with exceellent english.only person or persons performing shows the BEAUTY or THE BEAST .As a summery I still wont tell my ethnic background to kurd or armen because they never asks me... but i will prudly tell them i am Turk.They tell me that already under the devil order...Hope you figured out the evil twist... ALSO,BEING TURK OR TURKISH IS A PRIVALAGE GIVEN BY THE TURKISH REPUBLIC. to you and need to earned to get it .Just look like DRIVERS LICENCE is a privilage to given to you to drive.If you misused you may kill yourself or kill sdomebody. you will be penalized by the goverment or it will be revoked your licence...... Sorry forgot to add these links to help everybody understand what is really what just like having physcho therapy ...hope it will be helpful to everbody ...Educational video to the world(What & who is TURK or TURKISH Within the borders of TURKISH REPUBLIC ....and only you may say your ethnic background if you are asked ...) http://www.hepimizsehidiz.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gonderen:, Tarih : 22/12/07 EDUCATIONAL...to the world...What and Who is is Turk within the borders of the Turkish Republic ...and only you may say your ethnic background IF you are asked http://www.milliyet.com.tr/2007/12/18/son/sontur49.asp?prm=0,1709515 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gonderen:, Tarih : 22/12/07 Educational SUBJECT to the world(What & who is TURK or TURKISH Within the borders of TURKISH REPUBLIC ....and only you may say your ethnic background if you are asked ...) http://www.yenisafak.com.tr/gundem/?t=08.12.2007&c=1&i=86398 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gonderen:, Tarih : 22/12/07 EDUCATIONAL...to the world...What and Who is is Turk within the borders of the Turkish Republic ...and only you may say your ethnic background IF YOU ARE ASKED http://www.milliyet.com.tr/2007/12/22/son/sontur24.asp?prm=14201548 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gonderen:, Tarih : 22/12/07 Educational video to the world(What & who is TURK or TURKISH Within the borders of TURKISH REPUBLIC ....and only you may say your ethnic background if you are asked ...) http://www.hepimizsehidiz.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gonderen:, Tarih : 22/12/07 EDUCATIONAL...to the world...What and Who is is Turk within the borders of the Turkish Republic ...and only you may say your ethnic background IF you are asked http://www.milliyet.com.tr/2007/12/18/son/sontur49.asp?prm=0,1709515 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gonderen:, Tarih : 22/12/07 Educational SUBJECT to the world(What & who is TURK or TURKISH Within the borders of TURKISH REPUBLIC ....and only you may say your ethnic background if you are asked ...) http://www.yenisafak.com.tr/gundem/?t=08.12.2007&c=1&i=86398 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gonderen:, Tarih : 22/12/07 EDUCATIONAL...to the world...What and Who is is Turk within the borders of the Turkish Republic ...and only you may say your ethnic background IF YOU ARE ASKED http://www.milliyet.com.tr/2007/12/22/son/sontur24.asp?prm=14201548 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gonderen:, Tarih : 22/12/07 THE TRUE STORY...MUST BE MADE MOVIE...... * http://www.yenisafak.com.tr/aktuel/?t=02.12.2007&c=5&i=85200 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gonderen:, Tarih : 22/12/07 Midnight Exspress Truth Revealed ...Watch 2 part videos (copy and paste to your adress bar the whole thing) http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=midnight+express&search=Search -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------- ENJOY THE BEST MUSIC OF THE OTTOMAN MILITARY BAND (lots of virayety of song sending their loves throug-out to the world.....) http://www.4shared.com/file/13290767/21117fac/Mehter_-_Ceddin_Deden.html?err=no-sess

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Wotso Evah said...

Thank you for this very interesting article, ARMENS or ARMEDMANS, and the references and links you provided. I think the reason it is so hard for many Armenians to accept that there was no genocide is because, like the myth about their God-given right to Mount Ararat and them being chosen by God as defenders of Christianity, the myth about the genocide has become part of their identity - and it is very difficult to reconstruct one's identity without losing the sense of who and what you are. As far as the so-called genocide is concerned, the Armenian identity is that of "innocent victim of the barbaric Turk". In order to change this aspect of their identity, they would have to accept that they were not blameless, that they had some responsibility for what happened to them, and that the Turk is no more barbaric than the Armenian. It is very difficult to admit that one is wrong and that one's beliefs are false and this is why it is so very difficult for many Armenians to see that what happened was not genocide.

Nevin said...

Lately I am stumbling into interesting blogs that post a lot of articles which are worth reading. Thank you for this post. It's very fair and balanced....

Wotso Evah said...

Dear Nevin
thanks for your encouragement. I visited your blog and was glad to find another voice speaking out against American Imperialism and their foreign policy. I only hope that Obama will bring a change for the better.

Nevin said...

Earthling, very nice meeting you as well. It is so wonderful to find like minded people in the Ocean of internet!! I will be following your blog.... :)